1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,840 When the judge said that Kevin didn't have no longer the right 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:04,840 to come closer to me or children, 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,880 I told myself that when was even justice in France. 4 00:00:08,040 --> 00:00:08,960 Audrey come here! 5 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:11,560 I love you more, you understand? It's over! 6 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:16,000 You can't change the world, you can't change people. 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,880 Camille for example, it is out of date. 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:20,920 Like a car when it no longer runs, need to change it. 9 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,600 Are you okay, Aminata? 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,440 Cheikh has left Madame Laura. 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:32,880 Your husband is dead? 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,080 Djamilla she returned the keys from his apartment yesterday, 13 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:36,760 Laura, what happened? 14 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,640 Aminata's husband, you understand that It wasn't a car accident. 15 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,640 I killed two men. 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,040 One is two years ago, the other is two days ago. 17 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,680 Why, Mrs. Stern? 18 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,760 Because they were going to kill their wife. 19 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,000 - What do you offer me? - Madness. 20 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:54,360 No, I didn't kill those monsters to escape my responsibilities 21 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:55,880 and pretend I'm crazy. 22 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,880 Ms. Stern, I urge you to look for another lawyer. 23 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,560 - Good morning. - Good morning. 24 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:43,080 - Do you know who I am? - No. 25 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,800 - You don't watch TV? - As little as possible. 26 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:48,080 I agreed to see you because I'm bored. 27 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,640 Tamara Spitz, lawyer at the Paris bar. 28 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,360 I had some small successes lately. 29 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,640 Laura, I do like you. 30 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,680 I take the defense women in difficulty. 31 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,560 I don't defend them much anymore. 32 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,080 Camille Lefebvre sent me. 33 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:19,880 You are a hero, Laura. 34 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,320 Heroine, no less. You Don't exaggerate a little? 35 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,920 No. Every day in this country there is a woman murdered by a man. 36 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,600 Protective bracelets do not arrive. 37 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,520 The distancing measures are not respected, as for Audrey. 38 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,160 And then the rapes between spouses, It's not even worth talking about. 39 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,760 And meanwhile, the intellectuals, the media, politicians, 40 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:38,800 let it happen and they deplore it. 41 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,120 It's sad for all these ladies, but they let it happen. 42 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,280 And then suddenly, one day, there is a woman who gets up and says no. 43 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:47,760 Who says: “that’s enough, that’s it”. 44 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:49,560 We are not going to continue doing seems like everything is fine then 45 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,880 that we continue to kill women every day in this country, 46 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,920 even when they ask protection from the courts. 47 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,720 Even when they rush into a police station, we kill them. 48 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:03,000 And this woman, this heroine, is you. It's you. 49 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:07,960 So no matter what they did or didn't didn't do the three rubbish 50 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:09,040 that you killed. 51 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,120 Two. 52 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:14,240 Your murders are a political gesture. 53 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,640 It's a cry of rage, it’s a societal disappointment. 54 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,600 Do you believe everything you say there? 55 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,480 But you need to know one thing, it is that in a trial, 56 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:26,000 no matter what I believe or what I don't think so, what matters 57 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,880 this is the objective we are seeking to achieve and the means 58 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,280 that we will find to reach it, this objective. 59 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,920 Do you want me defend you, Laura Stern? 60 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,240 - What are you aiming for as a verdict? - Acquittal. 61 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,520 We don't condemn a heroine. 62 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:14,960 It's crazy. 63 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,200 - The progress you have made. - THANKS. 64 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,480 - Well done. - THANKS. 65 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:24,400 Joachim. 66 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,880 Léa and Joachim, can you let us alone with mom please? 67 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:31,920 Please? 68 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:52,240 My mother met Maître Lambert. 69 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,280 It's a shame to have sent him away. 70 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,440 He wanted me to pass for a crazy woman. 71 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,560 Yeah but he could have reduced your sentence. 72 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,560 - I'm not crazy, Julien. - No but... 73 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:09,520 In any case, the girl you have taken to replace it, 74 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,640 she is completely crazy. 75 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,640 We saw her on TV a few weeks ago. 76 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,440 She hates men. 77 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,000 - You don't hate men anyway? - No. 78 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:25,760 I only kill them. 79 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:29,160 It's not funny. 80 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,120 I have to tell you something. 81 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,080 I... 82 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,400 I may be considering... 83 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,320 To file for divorce? 84 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,760 It was Maître Lambert who said that to my mother. 85 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,960 He says that if I don't divorce, we risk to think that I knew that you... 86 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:11,600 That you... 87 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,280 - Anyway. Do you understand? - I understand. 88 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,280 I understand very well, don't worry. 89 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:35,480 Is he asking for divorce? 90 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,120 - But that’s excellent. - Let's not exaggerate anything. 91 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:40,160 Does it hurt you? 92 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:42,520 No. 93 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:44,640 It would be better for you pain. 94 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,000 But that doesn't bother me. 95 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,960 In the two years that I have been here, I don't miss him. No way. 96 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,000 It's the children that I miss. 97 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,440 Yes, yes but it's not okay, It’s not okay, we need to change that. 98 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,160 The prosecutor will make you a murderer 99 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,600 who prepares quietly in his little lab a deadly poison 100 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,520 to kill men who did nothing to him, a monster. 101 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,680 Do you see the picture? So me, opposite, I need an ordinary little lady, 102 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,280 very kind, a kind wife, a kind mother, 103 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,800 attentive to others, a little too sensitive, you know? 104 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,920 And there, divorce destroys him. 105 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,880 - I will not act. - Oh, you're starting to be annoying there.... 106 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,720 I tell you that I don't have you hired to play a role, 107 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,880 but to be myself. Didn't you understand that? 108 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,440 I'm not a fragile little thing. I'm not going to pretend to be. 109 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,560 - Good morning. - Good morning. 110 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,600 - Are you okay Laura? - Yes, it's okay. 111 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,080 GOOD. 112 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,000 Today I have a very bad news and good news. 113 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,080 Go for it. 114 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,080 It's your friend Djamilla. 115 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,840 His body was found in the suburbs of Oran. 116 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,880 And obviously she was murdered. 117 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,040 She was first expelled from Belgium a year ago, 118 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,760 then from Germany to Algeria. 119 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,200 There, we lost track of him, until last month. 120 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,280 I'm sorry, Laura. 121 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:09,960 So, the good news, nonetheless, it is that following the announcement of his death, 122 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,840 the public prosecutor abandons the prosecution over the death of his companion. 123 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,400 And that considerably alleviates your file. 124 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,400 If you say so. 125 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:24,320 Can we work? Do you prefer that I leave you? How... 126 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,720 No, no. We can work there. 127 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:19,840 So... 128 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:24,640 Why did you go to the police? 129 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:26,760 For what? 130 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,040 The situation was not bearable, she was no longer bearable. 131 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,280 No, no no, you went to the police 132 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,320 because you became aware of the seriousness of the acts you committed. 133 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,280 Yeah. 134 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,600 What really got you hurt in your life? 135 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,200 - Audrey's death. - Older. 136 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,600 - My mother's illness. His death. - Yes. 137 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,760 - That's it, tell me. - No, I don't want to. 138 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,040 Make an effort. 139 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:13,920 This is really important, Laura. 140 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:17,000 Good morning. 141 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,160 Good morning. 142 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:27,920 - Mr. Advocate General. - Hello, master. 143 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,400 Good morning. 144 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,800 - Master Spitz. - Mr. Advocate General. 145 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,360 - Hello, master. - Good morning. 146 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:38,360 The court! 147 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,560 The criminal hearing is open. You can sit down. 148 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,880 The final jury has been constituted. 149 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,920 Bring him in for accusation, please. 150 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,520 Good. Madam, if you would like give us your first and last name, 151 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,320 date of birth and profession. 152 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,960 Laura Stern, April 4, 1972, 153 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,840 Born in Lille, I am a pharmacist. 154 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,960 THANKS. You can sit down. 155 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,960 I will now read to you a summary of the indictment. 156 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,560 "March 6, 2020, Ms. Laura Stern went to the University of Nancy, 157 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,560 in the literature department, with the aim of meeting 158 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,600 Mr. Jean-Marie Lefebvre, research director. 159 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,840 A first audition, she is placed in police custody, 160 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,040 then under warrant of committal, incarcerated since then..." 161 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,480 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you therefore see that Mrs. Stern 162 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:22,640 recognizes the murders but also the premeditation, which is quite unusual. 163 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,600 So now we go question Mrs. Stern 164 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,480 and witnesses to try to understand his personality. 165 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:33,360 Mrs. Stern if you would like to stand up and tell us who you are. 166 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:37,960 I was born in Lille, 167 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,720 I am an only child. 168 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,120 My father was a surgeon, my mother was a lyric singer. 169 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:50,480 I had a happy childhood until my mother's illness, throat cancer. 170 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,960 She suffered a lot during a year then she died. 171 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:57,680 I was 10 years old. 172 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,800 She wanted me to become a singer me too. 173 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,800 I tried but I couldn't do it and then I thought about her too often. 174 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,520 I was good at math, also at chemistry, so I was attracted by the pharmacy. 175 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,560 Later, at university, I met my husband, Julien. 176 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,960 She was such an endearing student, she sometimes seemed fragile, 177 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,040 on edge. 178 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:31,400 She was ready, already very little, to defend his comrades. 179 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,280 She had a lot of empathy. 180 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,680 It was, it was more like his husband who came to school. 181 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:38,040 We didn't see her much. 182 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,360 In the saddest moments, she managed to make us laugh. 183 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,240 It's thanks to her, if today we are no longer 184 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,880 of 100 women to, to get better perhaps, we must not forget what it is. 185 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,480 And she is a woman with a big heart. 186 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,400 An exceptional woman. 187 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,480 We are now listening to Doctor Simon, expert psychiatrist. 188 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,920 I ask you to take an oath, to provide your assistance 189 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,000 to justice in your honor and conscience. 190 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,800 Raise your right hand, and say, I swear. 191 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,240 - I swear. - We're listening to you. 192 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,320 Yes, so I looked into Mrs. Stern three times. 193 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:27,200 She was cooperative, I was therefore able to formally eliminate 194 00:17:27,360 --> 00:17:29,400 any psychiatric condition characterized. 195 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,880 On the other hand, if we leave the field of psychiatric pathology 196 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,640 for that of individual psychology, 197 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:42,760 it should be noted that it is a woman who is very fragile on a narcissistic level. 198 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,080 It's a bit as if she was a sponge in the face of violence 199 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,240 done to women. 200 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,920 As if it was she herself who had been a victim of this violence. 201 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,080 What do you think is the cause of this particular operation doctor? 202 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,680 You know, there is never a single cause. 203 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,200 What is central to her, it's this fragility 204 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:05,880 which made it fall into a passionate conviction. 205 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,000 But I hasten to say something very important from a medico-legal point of view. 206 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,760 She is a woman who is accessible to the feeling of guilt. 207 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:18,120 She went to the police and we can therefore eliminate 208 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,760 delusional paranoia. 209 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,160 Is there abolition or alteration discernment, doctor? 210 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:27,160 No, there's no reason medico-legal decision to retain an abolition 211 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,360 or an alteration of discernment. 212 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,680 It is accessible to a criminal sanction. 213 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:32,800 Well, Civil Party? 214 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,320 No questions, Mr. President. 215 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:35,480 Mr. Attorney General? 216 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,960 No, Mr. President, This all seems very clear to me. 217 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:39,640 Master Spitz. 218 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,120 Doctor... To be sure that you are well understand, 219 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,120 You seem to consider that feeling in his flesh violence against women, 220 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,600 it's a kind of, of, of mental illness? 221 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:54,120 That's not at all what I said, master, I said she identified herself 222 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,120 massively to these women and that leads her to crime. 223 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:58,920 So this seems abnormal to you? 224 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:00,600 Which seems abnormal to me, master, it is to kill, 225 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,200 but you don't need me to find out. 226 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:04,200 No, that's not what I mean. It's abnormal to identify 227 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:05,560 to women victims of violence. 228 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:10,680 To identify yourself in such a way absolute, yes, it is very problematic. 229 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,880 What if I told you that every time a woman is a victim 230 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,640 of violence in this country, 231 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,320 That is to say 800 times a day, 800 times a day, 232 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,360 there is a woman who is a victim of violence in this country. 233 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,480 Well me, I feel it deeply in my flesh. 234 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,840 I will answer you, master, that you can feel, 235 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,240 you can experience, but as long as you don't pass 236 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:30,880 to the act, It doesn't concern society. 237 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,240 That's not the question... 238 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,640 That's not the question, but that I know, you didn't kill yourself. 239 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,400 This is how a man recognizes that he is incapable 240 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,600 to really feel the violence committed to women. 241 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,080 Finally, Mr. President, you can't let that be said. 242 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,600 No more questions, Mr. President. 243 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:44,840 You put all the men in the same bag. 244 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,800 You identify as a woman who acted massively. 245 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,600 Thank you for your analysis, but that's not the question. 246 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,000 At some point, This little game has to stop. 247 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,040 Maybe that's not your question, but that's my answer. 248 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,400 Please, thank you, doctor. 249 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:56,320 The grateful accused the facts and the premeditation, 250 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,400 I built an order of witnesses which deviates from custom. 251 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,840 So we listen now Madame Camille Lefebvre. 252 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,400 Bailiff, please. 253 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,160 You can kill someone with extreme ease. 254 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,800 We put the bag on his head, we tie his hands behind his back, 255 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,360 which is quite easy with the little one tie used to close the bag. 256 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,080 We tighten the bag around the neck of the woman no one, no need to squeeze too hard, 257 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,800 and the person dies in a very short time time, barely two minutes. 258 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,080 Okay then you have to make it disappear the body, 259 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,680 but there are no traces, no blood, no vomit, 260 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,680 none of those little things that bad cops can find... 261 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,360 Everything is already in the trash bag. 262 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,480 No, but I’m joking my darling! 263 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,360 You definitely don't know how to have fun, that's too bad I don't know how to have fun. 264 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,520 This torture was really your daily life for years? 265 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:56,840 Yes. 266 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,880 Humiliation, denigration, destruction from your archives, ten years of work? 267 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,000 Yes, he caused a fire, when he learned that I had surrendered 268 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,720 to the association of Madame Stern, and only my archives burned. 269 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,120 Would you say that your husband was trying to destroy you? 270 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,400 No, I didn't realize that... 271 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,080 But yes, he was trying to destroy me. 272 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,800 And to the point you made a suicide attempt? 273 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:31,520 Yes. 274 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:38,000 You opened your veins and you you were saved at the last minute, I believe. 275 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:42,720 Yes. 276 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,640 A homeless man found me on a bench so that I was bleeding out. 277 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,280 Would you say that your meeting with Mrs. Stern saved your life? 278 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,400 Yes. 279 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,800 Laura saved my life. 280 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:17,760 THANKS. 281 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,920 No more questions, Mr. President. 282 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,440 Thank you, Master. 283 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,280 Mr President, I have a few questions 284 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,080 complementary following the questions from Master Spitz. 285 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,640 Very well, we will take a turn to speak. 286 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,480 So the first question is for you, Master Spitz. 287 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,120 You can remind us of who we are doing the trial today? 288 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,320 Do you have the beginnings of Alzheimer's? 289 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,000 You of blindness, because it is necessary when even remind ladies and gentlemen 290 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,640 the jurors that it is not about of the trial of Mr. Lefebvre, 291 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,320 but indeed that of Mrs. Stern. 292 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:50,400 Mrs Lefebvre, 293 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:55,480 If this married life weighed on you so much. 294 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,080 Why didn't you leave? 295 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:58,640 I couldn't do it. 296 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,800 - I was under the influence. - Ah, the influence. 297 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:06,600 The magic word, influence. 298 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,800 Tell me, were you going on vacation with him? 299 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,680 - Yes. - He didn't hit you? 300 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,480 He wasn't physically threatening you? 301 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,160 - No. - But the hold still, I suppose? 302 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,240 Yes. 303 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,320 Did you still have relationships? sex with him in recent years? 304 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,960 I think you should answer to this question, madam. 305 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,240 - Very little. - So yes. 306 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,760 So we will summarize, Mrs. Lefebvre. 307 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,200 He wasn't hitting you. 308 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:44,920 He wasn't physically threatening you. 309 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,520 You were going on vacation with him. You were still making love with him. 310 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,520 Can we qualify this together, Madame Lefebvre, hell? 311 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,640 Yes. 312 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,080 Yes, it was hell. 313 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,800 So you think your husband deserved to die? 314 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,440 Madame Lefebvre is neither judge nor jury, she is therefore not qualified 315 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,880 to know what her husband deserved. 316 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,440 Mr President, I have the right to ask Madame Lefebvre's opinion. 317 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,000 Did he deserve to die? when he was murdered? 318 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,840 Okay, I remove the question. 319 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,920 Mrs Lefebvre, what did you feel 320 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,320 when you learned that Mrs. Stern murdered your husband? 321 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,840 Were you happy? Did you congratulate her? 322 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,320 Absolutely not. 323 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,320 Of course not, because you have cut off all relations with her. 324 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,920 And you never saw her again until today in this box. 325 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:36,120 This is a very curious way of thank the one who saved your life. 326 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,400 I have no more questions, Mr. President. 327 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:38,680 Master Spitz? 328 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,160 No question. 329 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,800 Mrs Stern, do you have something to say? 330 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,680 No. 331 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,480 Very good, thank you, ma'am. 332 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,520 Thank you, Ms. Lefebvre. 333 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,960 Please, ma'am. 334 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:46,160 Madame Lefebvre, Jean-Marie was your younger brother by how many years? 335 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,200 Two years. 336 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,240 When we were children, we were very close, a bit like twins. 337 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:57,000 Our mother had, let's say, a lot of difficulty in raising ourselves. 338 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,440 She drank a lot. 339 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:05,320 And from the moment we had 5 or 6 years old, she hit us, 340 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,520 Jean-Marie and me. 341 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,400 Well, especially me. 342 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,120 Did she hit you? 343 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,880 With fists, with everything that came to hand. 344 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,360 A belt, a hanger. 345 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,280 Once, she took a silver ladle. 346 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,680 That evening, I ended up in the emergency room. 347 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,920 How did Jean-Marie react? 348 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:28,480 He protected me. 349 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,560 At five years old, he protected you? 350 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,160 Yes, he made my mother laugh. 351 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,240 That's to say? 352 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,560 When she approached me, completely drunk, like a rage. 353 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,680 He came between us, like that, with his little arms. 354 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,040 And sometimes he acted like a clown. 355 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,520 He was really very funny. 356 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,080 I don't know, he had a talent for that. 357 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,040 She was like at the show, she laughed, she laughed. 358 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,160 She looked just Jean-Marie playing the clown. 359 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,720 And she completely forgot about me. 360 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,040 And the evening after, when we found in our room, 361 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,160 He told me he would never let our mother hurt me. 362 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,440 Do you happen to have a photo of Jean-Marie as a child? 363 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,240 Um... Yes, yes. 364 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,720 Mr President, I ask that this photo 365 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,720 can be included in the debate so that ladies and gentlemen 366 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,760 the jurors can make the knowledge of little Jean-Marie. 367 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,320 Do the civil parties agree? 368 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,720 No opposition, Mr. President. 369 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,080 - Master Spitz? - No opposition, Mr. President. 370 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,040 Mr. Luissier, please. 371 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,400 Man is a child who remembers, says the poet. 372 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,760 I ask you to memory of little Jean-Marie. 373 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,800 Look closely at this photo, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 374 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,960 and you will see that Jean-Marie Lefebvre, 375 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,360 the little clown who protected his sister of an alcoholic mother, 376 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,600 Jean-Marie Lefebvre, with his faults, like all of us, 377 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,240 well, he deserved to live. 378 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,520 Obviously. 379 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,480 I have no more questions, mr president. 380 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,240 Mr President, can I show me a photo to the jury too? 381 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,000 - From whom? - From another child. 382 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,200 And who is it? 383 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,440 You are not afraid of the photo of a child, Mr. Advocate General? 384 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,520 Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. 385 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:45,920 The civil parties do not don't see any disadvantages? 386 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,360 No opposition. 387 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,160 A charming toddler, right? I really like her little cheeks... 388 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,040 For the second time, is it can we know who this child is? 389 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,640 Mrs Lefebvre, would you like to, 390 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,880 please describe to us the child you see in this photo? 391 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,080 He looks surprised. 392 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,240 He's pretty cute. 393 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,920 He has some something melancholy in the eyes. 394 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,200 Did at some point, we can stop 395 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,040 to play guessing games and find out who is it? 396 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,840 A certain Hitler Adolf, born in Braunau in 1889. 397 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,920 You are comparing my brother... 398 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,520 - It's indecency... - A child is a child. 399 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,680 A child is a child. 400 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,840 And that says nothing about adults that he will become. Nothing. 401 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,040 Madame Lefebvre, one last question. 402 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,360 Unless I'm mistaken, I think you no longer see 403 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,240 a lot your brother in recent years. 404 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,800 For what? 405 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,280 I don't know. 406 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,480 I was in Marseille and then... 407 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,840 Then he was here. 408 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,200 It’s life, I don’t know. 409 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,480 You no longer wanted to see the little clown? 410 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,840 - Oh no! - No more questions, Mr. President. 411 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,560 No more questions. 412 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:06,960 Very good. 413 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,080 The audience will resume tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. 414 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,800 with the hearing of the last two witnesses, both cited by the prosecution. 415 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,720 How are you? 416 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,360 I don't know. 417 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,240 It'll be OK. 418 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,040 I have to tell you, since the trial began, 419 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,840 as I was on France Télé last night, 420 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,240 It’s catching fire on social media. 421 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,560 We have a lot of messages of support, that's good for us, 422 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:58,080 but also a lot of hateful messages, masculinists, obviously. 423 00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,960 We even have death threats. 424 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,400 It doesn't worry me that much, 425 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,360 but I still asked for one close protection for you 426 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,680 and for me for transfers tonight and tomorrow. 427 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,840 - But don't worry... - That's not it... 428 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,120 I'm starting to wonder if... 429 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,080 If what? 430 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,680 If I was right to do what I did. 431 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,840 - Obviously you were right. - I don't know anymore. 432 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,320 Laura, this is not the time to give up. 433 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,080 Tomorrow is your interrogation on the bottom. 434 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,840 This is the heart of the trial. 435 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,400 Do you understand? 436 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,600 Now is not the time to doubt, Laura. 437 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,760 You told me you wanted to be yourself. 438 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,800 Well, you have to go there. You have to go. 439 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,920 There are 230,000 women who have rust removed this year, 440 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,160 who are behind you and who are watching you, Laura. 441 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,200 Audrey, she's looking at you too. 442 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,440 It's over master, let's go. 443 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,000 - It'll be OK. - It'll be OK. 444 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,680 Don't let me down. 445 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,000 THANKS. 446 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,800 Hold out your hands. 447 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,680 - See you tomorrow. - See you tomorrow. 448 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,320 Laura Stern, I fuck her just to teach him how to live. 449 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,440 Oh yeah... 450 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,320 You're so nice to me, I'm killing this bitch. 451 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,680 - Oh, they're hard there! - They're bastards. 452 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,360 It's just guys who write this, look at him... 453 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,920 Big machos and proud of it, well there you go. 454 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,760 What was she thinking while doing that? 455 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,520 Phew, you will see what you deserve. 456 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,960 Yeah, well, they're murdering you. 457 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,760 But look, they're all talking about you. 458 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,560 You thought you were a vigilante. 459 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,520 What crap comments. 460 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:54,880 Mrs. Ouedraougo, the death of your husband has must have been a tragedy for you, right? 461 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,280 I'm sorry, sir, I don't understand the question. 462 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,000 What did you have to do after your husband died? 463 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,600 I don't know. 464 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,680 I mean, in the weeks, in the months that followed, 465 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:16,960 where did you go? 466 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,480 We moved to Nancy to go in the HLM. 467 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,520 And how is this HLM in Nancy, Mrs. Ouedraougo? 468 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:25,600 Is he good? 469 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,800 Not so much. 470 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,880 You can explain a little more at court? 471 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,400 It's noisy. 472 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:37,000 My daughter doesn't like Nancy. 473 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,880 And the work I found is hard. 474 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:42,920 What is work? 475 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,760 I clean in the Alzheimer's unit, at the clinic. 476 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,640 Housekeeping in an Alzheimer’s unit, it deserves the greatest respect, 477 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,120 Ms. Ouedraogo?. 478 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,320 Can we say that 479 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,360 your life has been more difficult since the death of your husband? 480 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,560 I don't know. 481 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:14,920 You still know if your life is better, the same, or worse than before? 482 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,120 Really, I don't know. 483 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,760 You loved your husband, Mrs. Ouedraogo? 484 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:27,920 I don't know. 485 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,520 He was a respected trader, right? 486 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,360 Bar customers liked Mr. Cheikh. 487 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,800 When you learned that Mrs. Stern 488 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,400 had killed your husband, what did you think? 489 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,080 He's a good person. 490 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,960 He is a very good person. 491 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,680 She helped me a lot. 492 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,640 It's thanks to her that I am presently before you today. 493 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,960 But killing is very bad. 494 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,160 We agree, Ms. Ouedraogo, killing is very bad. 495 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,160 I thank you for the sincerity of your answers. 496 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,400 I have no more questions, mr president. 497 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,480 THANKS. 498 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,880 Master Spitz. 499 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,680 Madam, three years ago, your daughter Adama 500 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,600 filed a complaint against your husband for rape. 501 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,560 Finally, Mr. President, Adama Ouedraogo 502 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,760 retracted, she admitted that she had invented everything. 503 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,480 Mr President, can I read the statement 504 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,840 by Adama Ouédraogo who relates very precisely the facts... 505 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,000 No! 506 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,280 ...and the police officer of the brigade of the Universe could be very credible. 507 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,200 No, master, she has retracted, you are off limits. 508 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,160 You prevent me from exposing the reality of the facts? 509 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,440 No, I'm stopping you from raping the criminal procedure code. 510 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,760 The jurors will appreciate it. 511 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,200 No more questions. 512 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,600 Thank you, Mrs. Ouédraogo, you can dispose of. 513 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,200 The court thanks you. 514 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,160 Mr. Stern, how did your children experienced and still experience this situation? 515 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:44,760 It's not easy. 516 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,000 It must have been very hard for them, right? 517 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:49,960 Very hard, yes. 518 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,000 At first, they didn't understand. 519 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,640 For the little one, especially. 520 00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:00,800 He hasn't had a mother for three years, 521 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,480 and friends all talk to him days of his mother who is a murderer, 522 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,360 so yes, it's hard. 523 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,760 Even for Léa, the big one. 524 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,840 Don't you find it strange? that your wife did not think 525 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,680 above all to his children, to your children, before committing what she did? 526 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,760 Yes, it's strange. 527 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,400 I mean, I... 528 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,640 I don't understand. 529 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:33,840 I still don't understand. 530 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,320 - Would you say their life is broken? - Mr President... 531 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,720 Master Spitz, it is particularly important 532 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,480 to measure the consequences actions of your client. 533 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,120 So, we will also have to be interested the way she looked after herself 534 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,600 of his own children. 535 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,200 Mr. Stern, please respond. 536 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,680 No, but I don't know if... 537 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,400 Their lives are broken. 538 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,160 But hey, they are scarred for life, that's for sure. 539 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,360 That's why you're getting divorced. 540 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:04,760 Mr President, I really don't see 541 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,400 what is the divorce requested by Mr. Stern 542 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,640 has a connection with all this matter. 543 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,680 Alright, no more questions, Mr President. 544 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,600 Thank you, Mr. Stern. 545 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,720 Now that we've heard you, you can have 546 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,480 or if you want to stay in the room, as you wish. 547 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:21,840 Thank you. 548 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,240 This was the last witness. 549 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,160 Mrs Stern, if you would like to get up. 550 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,800 Mrs Stern, you said you killed two men 551 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,600 who had not caused you directly no harm. 552 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,960 How the do you justify yourself before our court? 553 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:59,120 First there was the assassination from my friend Audrey Millon. 554 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,360 Mr President, it is not a question of an assassination, but of a murder. 555 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,000 Premeditation was not found. 556 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,120 Let the accused speak, please. 557 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,280 This murder was a great injustice. 558 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:14,160 Audrey's husband had a measure of distancing which he did not respect. 559 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,680 Audrey filed a complaint twice at the police station 560 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,280 because she was terrified by this man. 561 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,640 Despite everything, he managed to kill her. 562 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:25,800 Before my eyes. 563 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,880 Society cannot prevent all crimes, Mrs. Stern, do you understand that? 564 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,440 She should. 565 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,760 It should limit femicide. 566 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,360 But she doesn't do it. 567 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,920 So you considered that was it up to you to do it? 568 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,480 When I saw the situation before my eyes of Camille who was going to die, 569 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,040 I had no choice. 570 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,680 I killed this man for that his wife may live, 571 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,240 so she wouldn't be killed. 572 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,720 And for Mr. Ouedraogo? 573 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,920 Mrs. Ouedraogo revealed to me that her husband... 574 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,160 ...revealed to me that her husband raped... 575 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,840 It's not going to happen again, Mr. President. 576 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,120 She only reports the words of a witness. 577 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,560 I will follow Master Spitz. 578 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,320 Continue. 579 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,840 Mr. Ouedraogo threatened to kill their daughter and tortured his wife. 580 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,160 So how can you do nothing? 581 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,480 How? 582 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,440 Tell me, wait until the daughter or mother is dead? 583 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,240 You realize that by doing this, you intend to substitute yourself 584 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,440 to the police forces, the courts, to the institutions of the Republic? 585 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:48,240 Yes, but if they don't do their homework, it is up to citizens to react. 586 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,160 Very good, your answers are clear, I thank you. 587 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,920 Mr Advocate General, 588 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,440 Mrs Stern, 589 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,760 Why did you go to the police finally? 590 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,920 Because I became aware of the seriousness of my actions. 591 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,440 And I congratulate you for that. 592 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,720 But your awareness very late indeed, 593 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:13,720 we agree that it will not give back no life to Mr. Lefèbvre, nor to Mr. Ouedraogo. 594 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,800 Yes. 595 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:17,640 But their wives are alive. 596 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,120 I would like, Mr. President, read the extract from a published article 597 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,000 in a student newspaper about thirty years ago. 598 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,480 It's not in the file, Mr. Attorney General. 599 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,040 You're not afraid of a newspaper student, Mr. Spitz? 600 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,440 - No, no, no. - No. 601 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,760 When we think that certain politicians right or extreme right, 602 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,960 de Villiers, Le Pen or others, 603 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,080 Talk about reintroducing the death penalty, we can only be scandalized. 604 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,360 The death penalty is a task on the democracies 605 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,640 who did not get rid of it. Unquote. 606 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,480 - Mrs Stern, do you recognize this text? - Yes. 607 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,080 You can tell the Court what is going on? 608 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:58,200 It's a student newspaper that I created with friends. 609 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,280 - Is the article yours? - We wrote the articles together. 610 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,480 Today you agree with its contents, Mrs. Stern? 611 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:04,840 I don't follow you. 612 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,760 You follow me very well, Mrs. Stern. Very, very good, even. 613 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,320 Does are you against the death penalty? 614 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,080 How do political opinions from my client 615 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:12,440 do they have anything to do with the audience? 616 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,840 I think your client should answer this question, master. 617 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,640 Did you hear what we asked you? 618 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,000 Are you against the death penalty? 619 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,640 Yes or no? 620 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,880 Are you for or against the death penalty? 621 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,360 Against, I am absolutely against. 622 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,760 Excuse me, I think the court and the jury did not hear. 623 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,040 You say it a little louder, please. 624 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,280 I am against the death penalty. 625 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,160 Mr. Spitz? 626 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,280 Ms. Stern, when you talk about duty to interfere, 627 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,040 You mean, in fact, that your action was there to prevent 628 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,280 the death penalty to apply to Ms. Lefebvre and Ms. Ouedraogo, 629 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,360 is that right? 630 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,200 Yes. Absolutely yes. 631 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,360 I imagine it must have been extremely difficult to kill. 632 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,120 Of course yes. 633 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,880 When I did what I did to Mr. Lefebvre, 634 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,000 my life has changed. 635 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,560 I don't regret what I did, 636 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:19,800 but, I felt that I could not arrive no longer communicate with anyone. 637 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,400 Thank you, Ms. Stern. 638 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,800 Alright. Suspension of session 20 minutes, 639 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,720 and then we will pass to the pleadings. 640 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:17,520 The court! 641 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,840 The hearing is resumed, you can sit down. 642 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:35,480 Mr. Attorney General. 643 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,680 Do we have the right to kill in France? 644 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,920 Including in the name of a idea that we believe is right? 645 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,400 We are not asking you if two assassinations were committed, they were. 646 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:57,520 Do we have the right to kill in the name of a idea as fair as it may be? 647 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,400 It is at this question you need to answer. 648 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,320 And the answer, obviously, is no. 649 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,640 This question is essential. 650 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,360 It is essential because, it embraces democracy, 651 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,520 it encompasses the social contract, civilization itself. 652 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,280 Today for Mrs. Stern, the right idea that would give him 653 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,360 the right to kill, it is the cause of women. 654 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,120 Obviously the cause is just. Obviously. 655 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:30,680 But do we have the right to kill without examination, defenseless? 656 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,280 Mrs. Stern, she is very good defended, and that’s so much the better. 657 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,480 Because when justice is done, well it will be returned 658 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,680 in compliance with the principles that Mrs. Stern herself scoffed. 659 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:49,680 During these two days we tried to present victims as monsters. 660 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,560 Harmful beings that we could erase, like that. 661 00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:56,080 Like crushing a cockroach. 662 00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:57,520 No rights for them. 663 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,040 No trial for them. 664 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,000 No justice for them, since this are not human beings, you are told. 665 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,640 But Jean-Marie Lefèvre and Cheikh Ouédraogo 666 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,680 were not harmful creatures, but human beings, 667 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:18,280 a kaleidoscope of emotions, stories, qualities, faults, 668 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,720 good and bad deeds, but like all of us. 669 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,400 Yes, they certainly made mistakes, but thousands of men and women 670 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,240 fought precisely so that a man has the right to a real defense, 671 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,560 to a trial, so that justice is done. 672 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:40,120 So you absolutely must, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, by your verdict, 673 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:46,560 tell him that living together, it can't be to decide alone 674 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:51,960 to kill another, because that, it is the reign of savagery. 675 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,440 So I ask you, in the name of the French people, 676 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,400 in the name of justice, to condemn Laura Stern 677 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,440 after 30 years of criminal imprisonment 678 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,960 accompanied by a period security of 22 years. 679 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,600 Thank you, Mr. Attorney General. 680 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,320 Master Spitz. 681 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,240 Savagery. 682 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,160 I thought I would talk to you about femicide, 683 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,720 violence against women, and finally, 684 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,440 I will remember the word Mr. Advocate General. 685 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:33,560 Savagery. 686 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,440 Every year, in France, 687 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,520 300 women are murdered by their spouse or their ex-spouse. 688 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,520 Yes, 300. I know you have another figure at the top, but it is wrong. 689 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,000 I will come back to it. 690 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:49,560 Savagery. 691 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,600 Every year, in France, 692 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,800 230,000 women are attacked sexually, 693 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,880 And basically, nothing happens. 694 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,360 Savagery. 695 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,240 But that's it, the lives of women in this country. 696 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:13,640 So today, we ask you to judge Laura Stern, who killed two men. 697 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:14,920 She recognizes him. 698 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,120 She turned herself in to the police, who absolutely did not suspect her. 699 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,880 But why did she do that? 700 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,360 That's the real question in this trial. 701 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,160 Why did she transgress this sacred taboo, murder. 702 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,920 So, Mr. Advocate General seems think that savagery is involved. 703 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,400 Well, he's right. 704 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,760 It's good to fight against savagery that Mrs. Stern could not do 705 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,440 other than what she did, as I will show you. 706 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:46,200 Jean-Marie Lefebvre, first. 707 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,400 You heard the tortures that he inflicted on his wife. 708 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,920 You have heard Camille Lefebvre, right here, 709 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,920 affirm under oath that Laura Stern had saved his life. 710 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,320 You heard she was suffering so much suffering inflicted by 711 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,040 her husband that she opened her veins, that she bled to death. 712 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,760 However, since 2020, there is a law that punishes 713 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,720 harassment while driving to suicide. 714 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,800 It's called forced suicide, article 222-33-21 of the Penal Code. 715 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,480 I will read the article to you. 716 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,400 "Harassing one's spouse by repeated comments or behaviors having 717 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,400 resulting in a deterioration of one's health physical or mental 718 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,720 is punishable by 10 years of imprisonment 719 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,320 and a fine of 150,000 euros when harassment 720 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,680 led the victim to commit suicide or attempt suicide." 721 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,160 Last year, justice recognized 200 forced suicides, 722 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:42,960 almost exclusively women. 723 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,000 So last year, there have been 300 feminicides 724 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,440 in this country and not 95, as they try to make us believe. 725 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,640 Four years ago, of course, Laura Stern does not know this law, 726 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,280 but she knows that Camille Lefebvre will die. 727 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,400 In his hospital room, in emergencies, 728 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,960 where she was transferred after being miraculously saved. 729 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,000 What does her husband say to her? 730 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,760 What does he say to her? 731 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,160 That's all you found to make you interesting? 732 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,600 That's all you found to make you interesting? 733 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,680 Beautiful word of comfort. 734 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:26,760 The harassment will continue and Camille Lefebvre will die. 735 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,400 That's for sure, Laura Stern knows it. 736 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:30,760 But what can she do? 737 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,000 The police? 738 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,360 There are no complaints? 739 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:36,560 Justice? 740 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:38,640 No complaints? 741 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,400 What can Laura Stern do? 742 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,480 Now that she is completely alone in the face of this tragedy? 743 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,400 Let this woman die or take action? 744 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,360 Even if for that, you have to have the courage, 745 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:50,840 yes, courage, 746 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,120 to transgress the most sacred of laws. 747 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,680 What would you have done if Had Camille Lefebvre been your friend? 748 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,360 What would you have done? 749 00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:07,960 Would you have let him die? 750 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,480 Would you have let him die? 751 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,760 Sheikh Ouedraogo. 752 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,640 He too tortures his wife. 753 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,000 He rapes his daughter. 754 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,040 This time, there are two women who are in danger of death, including a minor. 755 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,360 So Laura Stern, heroine of modern times, 756 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:40,440 intervenes as she can in the face of savagery. 757 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,480 But the next day, she knows that these heroic acts 758 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:44,840 cannot become a rule. 759 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,440 So she turns herself in to the police, to justice, to you, to you. 760 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,000 Your verdict... 761 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,800 Finally your verdict does not concern Laura Stern. 762 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,200 At least, not only. 763 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,360 If you condemn it heavily, 764 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,320 you tell the world that it is still possible, today, 765 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,120 to harass his wife, to push her to suicide, 766 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,520 that it is still possible to violate his daughter, 767 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,960 that it is still possible to threaten death if they speak. 768 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,000 If you condemn it heavily, you tell the world 769 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,520 that nothing has really changed between men and women, 770 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,080 and that a woman, she must stay in her place. 771 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,160 Slaves, vases, objects, victims, that she must remain 772 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,840 in his place and be silent, or else she must die. 773 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,120 Is this what you want to tell the world? 774 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,920 This is why I ask you to assume the overwhelming responsibility 775 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:50,400 which weighs on your shoulders while asserting loudly and the savagery is over! 776 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,840 It's over, yes, Mr. Advocate General, it’s over. 777 00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,000 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask you to acquit Laura Stern. 778 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:03,640 Or if that seems impossible to you, because there was a homicide, 779 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,640 To pronounce a light sentence, which taking into account the detention 780 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,800 provisional which she has already undergone three years, will allow him to be released quickly. 781 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:19,560 The women of this country and men are counting on you. 782 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,280 Thank you. 783 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:28,480 Thank you master. 784 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,040 Mrs Stern, 785 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,840 Do you want to get up? please. 786 00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:38,240 Do you have one last statement to make? 787 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,880 I have confidence in the justice of my country. 788 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,600 I think of my children and... 789 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,080 I don't regret anything. 790 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,880 The jury will now retire to deliberate. 791 00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,280 I have to read to you of the following instruction. 792 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,280 Subject to the requirement motivation for the decision, 793 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,560 the law does not ask everyone to account judges and juries 794 00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:22,840 composing the assize court of means by which they convinced themselves. 795 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,160 She tells them to ask themselves themselves in silence 796 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,640 and meditation and seeking in the sincerity of their conscience 797 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,160 what impressions made on their reason 798 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,120 the evidence brought against the accused and the means of its defense. 799 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,840 The law does not make them that this one question 800 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,800 which contains the whole measure of their duty. 801 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,560 Do you have a deep conviction? 802 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,560 Counsel, the hearing will resume. 803 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,280 The court! 804 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,560 The hearing is resumed. 805 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,480 Mrs. Laura Stern, please stand up, please. 806 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:04,760 Here are the answers to the questions posed and the decision deliberated jointly. 807 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,160 Question 1. 808 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:11,080 Is the accused Laura Stern guilty on the day of March 6, 2020 809 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,960 to have voluntarily killed to Mr. Jean-Marie Lefebvre? 810 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,560 Yes, by a majority of at least 7 votes. 811 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:19,600 Question 2. 812 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:25,360 Is the accused Laura Stern guilty during the day of January 18, 2022 813 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,600 to have voluntarily killed to Mr. Cheikh Ouedraubo? 814 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,280 Yes, by a majority of at least 7 votes. 815 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,880 Question 3. 816 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:41,080 The crimes committed in questions 1 and 2 were they committed with premeditation? 817 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,960 Yes, by a majority of at least 7 votes. 818 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,960 Considering the answers to the questions asked, the court and the jury, 819 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:53,400 after having deliberated and voted without decide by secret ballot, 820 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:58,480 condemn by majority absolute accused Laura Stern 821 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,440 barely 10 years of criminal imprisonment. 822 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,120 Please. 823 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:07,880 Silence. 824 00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,200 Thank you, please. 825 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,120 The court alone finds that the judgment constitutes a detention order. 826 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,320 Mrs Sterne, I inform you that you have 827 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,280 within 10 days to file an appeal 828 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,240 of this criminal judgment rendered against you. 829 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,400 Exceed this deadline, you would no longer be eligible. 830 00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,480 We won, Laura. We won. 831 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,240 With the sentence reductions from here 2 or 3 years, you're out. 832 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,200 You can give me the grid of the opening A please? 833 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,360 Goodbye Laura. 834 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,120 Enjoy the freedom. 835 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,640 - Good morning. - Good morning. 836 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,360 There are children who are at a friend's house there. 837 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:38,720 - Here we go? - Here we go. 838 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,600 Here we go. I'm parked there. 839 01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,040 Die bitch! 840 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,240 Dirty female dog! 841 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,440 No! 842 01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:06,880 Help! 843 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,200 Laura! Laura... 844 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,120 Call for help! 845 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,320 It'll be OK! It'll be OK! 846 01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:14,400 Help! 847 01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:15,560 Come on Laura! 848 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,920 - It's okay... - Stay with us, stay with us! 849 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,480 Send help to the prison, send help immediately. 850 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,720 - I don't have any pain... - Look at me. 851 01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,240 - It'll be OK. - It's okay... 852 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:25,960 Breathe... 853 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,680 Laura, Laura, Laura, stay with me. 854 01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,920 It's okay, it's okay. Look at! 855 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,000 It's okay, I don't have any pain... 856 01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:41,200 It's okay, it's okay, it's okay... 857 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:43,800 I don't have any pain. 858 01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,120 It's okay... 859 01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,880 Subtitling: FAST TITLES MEDIA